On 10/20/07, Pres.Bush Signed and exectutive order to protect Stripe Bass and
Red drum,by stopping the sale of said fish to the public, by making them a game
fish.. Go to www.whitehouse.gov for the whole story under current news. Sounds to me that the comm. guys are going to get the shaft big time..Has anyone heard
of this exect. order???

Capt.Skid

Capt,

There was a post about it last week and a VA Pilot article on Sat (?). Essentially it designates them as sportfish in federal waters and prohibits commercial take in said waters. Both of which are already banned in VA. Net effect for us = 0. My 2 cents.

--Brett

One small step for mankind! Heard that somewhere else once, but the conservation of the spieces starts with the protection of the spawning grounds, and the way we construct near our wetlands will be seriously detrimental to all fish before the netters take more than need from us. The President has done a few good things for our country, but this action is a fine sign of how his cabinet works. In stead of protecting the wetlands first by putting restrictions on the invasion of our tributaries, water sheds, and coastal tidal zones by construction for new homes... the cabinet looked past the beginning of the problem and went straight into the final results before conducting satisfactory R/D, which is where all problems are fixed, or newer and better technology puts into place a well rounded gameplan to correct a wrong already done. Geeeese these guys are something else.

I am a veteran, and Love my Country and would die for it if I had to, but our leaders are so far detatched in a fictisious world from reality, that our children, and their children, and the future of our food sources are in peril. This was attempemted in the mid 70's but those Lobbyist sure got their palms greased which abstained the votes for conservation measures Congress addressed back then. What a Country.

Even before that, they need to do something to limit commercial Menhaden take! Omega and others are vastly overharvesting the Bunker. Duh. As someone else said, net effect = zero. If the Stripers have less and less forage, the quality and quantity will suck for everybody. My .02

Well i think its a step in the right direction. Even though theres tons of striper in the bay, recreational fisherman dont put a dent in the industry like commercial guys do. So for the first time in a long time the commercial guys get screwed over, and hopefully (this is really wishin) the state would lif the limit of fish to 3: two small fish (because there are so many) and one large fish. But i know im totally in dreamland with that thought.

Sorry Keith, but Brett is right. This is an entirely political move by the President. Fishing for stripers in Federal Waters, both commercially and recreationally, was banned by Congress years ago. Declaring them a sportfish now is a moot point, no one can catch them there anyway. The states control the striper catch inside State Territorial Waters, ie inside of the 3 mile limit. This was just a political ploy to garner support from people who are not so well informed. A disgusting misuse of power if you ask me. Next he'll ban the use of nuclear weapons for Blue Marlin fishing inside of the Chesapeake Bay. And he'll save just as many Marlin as his striper rule did. None.

I went back and read the whole exect. order 3x, and now I have to admit that
Brett is more right than Ollie North was about Ben Laden!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This order
IMO is more full of BS than the Bluefin tuna laws. If the Pres. had of made it
mandatory to include the 3 mile limit that the states claim as their own to regulate
as they seem fit, there would have been a meltdown on Capitol Hill. Looks like
the Pres. would have included the 3 mile limits anyway cause he is on the way out,
and this would have helped the common folk..I guess it boils down to being some
more political BS!!!!!!!!!

Capt.Skid

WOOOOOOHOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANK GOD SOMEONE DID IT!!!! THANKS TO PRES. BUSH!!!

no offense, but did you read what everyone else has posted?? this exec. order doesn't do crap for us....

Just curious. If stripers are now considered a sport fish by the federal government but fishing for them is banned in federal waters, what exactly is the sport?

I also thought that commercial fishermen couldn't fish inside the three-mile zone, but last year I got fouled in their @#&*% gill nets off Rudee twice INSIDE the line. What's that all about?

Bush and your question go hand in hand, can you say "We will make the fishing ah um, I mean the Rockfish, um Stripers, oh I meant the, what were we discussing?" I KNEW YOU COULD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kennedy, the only place commercial or recreational fisherman can catch stripers is inside of the 3 mile line, which is the territorial sea claimed by the State Of Virginia. Any water outside of the 3 mile line is Federal water, where any fishing for stripers, commercial or recreational, is banned by Congress. Thus the President declaring striped bass a sportfish in federal water is ridculous, because no one can fish for stripers there legally. And I've never seen a red drum more than 3 miles out, although I'm sure they must wander out there. So the net result from the effort is 0.

AT least he gave a thought about fishing. The thought is what counts right? (yea,sorta,kinda,not really, no not at all)

I think it is a step (a small one) in the right direction.It might get our foot in the door.Better than nothing.I cant imagine America being led by Billary Clinton again.I know Bush can bareley read a Q card so its hard to know where to stand anymore.

I agree. It's the right mindset it just doesn't do anything for us. It could lead to something better in the future, hopefully doing something with Omega.

Understand that the order will not actually change anything now, but he also made the following recommendation, key word being recommendation

"A second part of the order encourages states to make striped bass a gamefish, which would eliminate commercial landings and allow recreational anglers to have the stocks. This could have an impact in other East Coast states that now allow commercial harvests of striped bass. New Jersey does not allow them. The fish is already set aside here exclusively for the recreational industry."

I'm with you there Keith...hate to get political, but I doubt Billary has ever caught a fish...... I can't wait for the likes of Peta, Sierra Club...and that lot to get reinvigorated.....before you know it, striped bass fishing will be a contributor to global warming.........

Sorry guys, I have to disagree. Eight years of balanced budgets, peace and economic growth vs eight years of war, a pillaged national treasury and record deficits. I'll take Bill Clinton and his lies about sex over GeeDubya and his lies about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq any day. We've gone from the good guy to the least trusted country on the planet. But it is all my fault, you can blame me, because I'm a lifelong (moderate) Republican and I voted for Bush.

Republican Congress nothing to do with that George?

'Fraid not John. If you remember President Clinton closed the entire government down twice and sent everyone home until the Republican Congress sent him a balanced budget for signature. Despite what the far right says, Bill Clinton was not a liberal Democrat, he was a Conservative Democrat. That makes him one heck of a lot closer to my moderate views than Dick Cheney. Hmmm.. but then again Dick Cheney did start that "shoot a lawyer and have a nice day" thing....now there's a Federal Program we all can support....

[quote=Marlin Maniac,Oct 25 2007, 10:30 PM]
'Fraid not John. If you remember President Clinton closed the entire government down twice and sent everyone home until the Republican Congress sent him a balanced budget for signature. Despite what the far right says, Bill Clinton was not a liberal Democrat, he was a Conservative Democrat. That makes him one heck of a lot closer to my moderate views than Dick Cheney. Hmmm.. but then again Dick Cheney did start that "shoot a lawyer and have a nice day" thing....now there's a Federal Program we all can support....

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Thanks for straightening me out on the commercial fishing zone. I figured they had that all sewn-up too. I guess I'll have to continue to be cautious when I see diving birds off the beach for fear that it could be "fish in the net" instead of "fish ready for my lure" that lurk below. It's quite a letdown when your reels start singing only to find out that your power-pro has found its match in the jaws of one of those #$%&@ nets. By the way, I agree that Bush has just about cured me of being a Republican, but not of being a conservative.

[quote=kennedy daniels,Oct 25 2007, 05:31 PM]
[quote=Marlin Maniac,Oct 25 2007, 10:30 PM]
HEY GUYS, go to utube and search for Bush Makes Fun of Himself Videos, grab a cold one and relax.

Kennedy, all I did was pass on a little info, and that's what this board is for. You're right about the nets though. Four screaming drags = two lost mojos and two lost plugs these days. And the commercial boys don't always mark the nets like they're supposed to. Keep your eyes peeled for bouys and flags and hope for the best. As to politics I think I'm going to get the RFA and CCA voters guides and vote for the guy supporting recreational fishing regardless of party. They are all crooks anyway. A wise man once said that the only truely honest politician is one that stays bought. Tight lines and good luck!

Well George, look on the bright side, at least you don't have any IED's in your front yard and I can take a plane to work every week........If putting one's head in the sand, leaving dire problems for others to deal with later, whilst playing grab ass in the oval office makes one a great president, you've got a winner.......

I personally think Congress has a lot more to do with the economic state of affairs in this country.....and while not liking the lot in there today, the republicans they kicked out needed it.......maybe they'll wise up next go around........

Well John, this isn't a political forum but I will respond to that. President Clinton's policies did not create the hatred of America that caused 911, President Regan's (who I also voted for) did. That included DIRECT CASH PAYMENTS TO OSAMA BID LADEN and deliveries of weapons by the CIA. Bin Laden is our own little dirty trick, intended for the Soviets in Afganistan. What did President Clinton give Bin Laden? Tomahawk cruise missles in the middle of the night. No one had their head in the sand, but no one is a mind reader either. And that attack came while Bush was in office. And finally the economy responds most quickly to the supply of money, controlled by the Chairman of the Federal Reserve via manipulation of the prime interest rate, who reports to the President. Congress has a longer term impact. Finally, I find it interesting that I'm defending Bill Clinton because I never voted for him. But the far right treats the man like he was the devil when he was a very good, and still very popular, although flawed President. Now can we go fishin?

OK lets knock this crap off. Im trying to listen to my lesbian folk music while running my feet through my squirrel skin rug.

Well George....I was ready to go fishing, until you brought Reagan into it..... remember the Cold War?, high taxes? high inflation?............

As far as your boy Bill goes, well, he did bomb and aspirin factory in the Sudan, emboldened our middle east enemies with his fine leadership in Somalia, North Korea? China?, but lets face it, he's an all around great guy.....good with the chicks.... And by the way, the largest influences on the economy are you and I.....so long as we are not burdened with an overbearing tax burden, the economy rolls on (thanks Reagan)....

When your boy Bill and his stunning wife get back in the White House, I'm sure all will go right with the world, everyone will have health care, the rest of the world will again love us, environmental regs will again get a good shot in the arm, I can't wait for my taxes to go up so I can pay for it all..... now my freind, can we go fishing?

Let's just go fishing my misguided amigo!

Agreed, my impudent comrade!

I love this board!!!

When I'm King none of this will happen!!!

There is a very good write up about this in the latest issue of the Fisherman magazine. We need a president who likes to fish for certain and America seems to be ready for a change.
Julie Ball for President!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Man, this weather needs to break because we all obviously need to go fishing.

Sorry to go back to this, but since it seems that since everybody had their chance to vent, I have to add my 2 cents.
As far as the Clintons are concerned, they had more "gates" than a baseball stadium.
And the Democrats/liberals......Huh!!!!! with the likes of Move On.org and General Betray us, Soros, Kennedy, Biden, Stark, network news, CNN(corrupt news network), MSNBC, NY times, Washington Post, LA Times, Chicago Tribune, liberal teachers trying to corrupt our kids,etc,etc, etc, (their hatred for Bush/Republicans/conservatives is so great that they will do/say anything to make them look bad and get Democrats elected, even if it is detrimental to America.) Iwill NEVER vote for a Democrat again. If my son ran for office as a Democrat, I wouldn't vote for him.
Now we can get back to fishing.